2011 Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

[edman5555]

Maia's ground game has looked a little less dominant, but look at the guys he is fighting, they are all ground specialists. I don't know what mistakes he is talking about, he has been a little sloppy at times, but I think it is due to fatigue. If Vinny could last more than 4 minutes against a decent fighter, he might be able to experience that sensation.

That's the kind of thing that pisses people off though, Maia has done everything in bjj that Vinny has done and more. And he is a much better MMA fighter, that can't even be argued. It is kind of like when he tried to talk shit about Nog's jj when he was on TUF, and then backpedal out of it.

Look at Maia's record and then look at Vinny's record. Maia hasn't subbed as many people but the rest of his game has been looking pretty good. Also, as has been said it is harder to sub people at the higher levels of MMA.

[Ludo]

Also, on the subject of real world self defense the best system out there is probably Krav Maga. It's a system that teaches both armed and unarmed combat to asses, avoid, and if necessary defuse dangerous situations. Disarming assailants whether they are armed with a knife, gun, or some kind of foreign object is a key component. They focus less on actual manuevers and more on doing whatever it takes to get out safely. Eye pokes, kicks to the knee, punches to the throat and or nose, as well as improvised weaponry to focus inertia. I have watched a few different things on it, namely the Human Weapon episode where it was featured. Shit is intense.

[Ludo]

Look at Maia's record and then look at Vinny's record. Maia hasn't subbed as many people but the rest of his game has been looking pretty good. Also, as has been said it is harder to sub people at the higher levels of MMA.

I think alot of that has to do with his diligent training with his hands which inevitably means he sacrifices some ground time. He has progressed alot in his striking and I wouldn't put too much stock into him not looking great standing with Santiago, he is a smart fighter and if he did his homework he knows Santiago has some very explosive strikes like high kicks and flying knees. Chances are he didn't want to end up like he did with Marquardt and just played to his own advantage. As far as not being able to pass Jorge's guard I chalk that up more to Santiago being a black belt as well. I know, I know, Maia is a super stud, he should be able to destroy the guard of anyone not ranked inside the top 10 in the Absolute division but come on. Jorge happens to have a pretty strong guard, he has alot of sweeps and those butterfly's are tricky.

[edman5555]

Sometimes it's not that easy. And it really doesn't take that much of a knock on the head to do some serious damage. In the best case you just get stunned or KOd, like Ludo said, but in the worst you end up with brain damage or dead.

In any case, I just don't like the idea of doing ground grappling on streets, sidewalks, barroom floors, etc. It works in MMA, BJJ and Judo because you are on a cushioned surface, there are rules, and you are also presumably among friends who aren't trying to permanently injure you. But getting thrown, slammed, taken down, etc in a real fight is totally different. Maybe you end up on bottom, but don't get get slammed. Instead you to take 10 shots to the face while your head bounces off the concrete. Or maybe you end up taking their back and sinking in an RNC, but guess what, your hands are now busy in this no-rules match and the guy reaches back and digs his thumbs into your eye sockets. If you try to defend, you lose the choke. But if you don't defend fast enough, you end up blind.

Fuck that. It's just an entirely different world in a street fight with motherfuckers who just don't give a fuck.

In a real fight, I want to be punching. And if there's any grappling involved, I want it to be me throwing them to the pavement while I stay on my feet.

Yeah thats a good point. It reminds me of when I worked construction for a while. I was bs'ing with this guy who was from the projects. He was talking about fighting and he said, " I know all the dirty tricks". About a month later he pulled a knife and squared off with another guy on the roof of a gymnasium we were building. His nickname was "cutty dog". That just makes me want to stay at home or buy a gun.

[SPX]

Also, on the subject of real world self defense the best system out there is probably Krav Maga. It's a system that teaches both armed and unarmed combat to asses, avoid, and if necessary defuse dangerous situations. Disarming assailants whether they are armed with a knife, gun, or some kind of foreign object is a key component. They focus less on actual manuevers and more on doing whatever it takes to get out safely. Eye pokes, kicks to the knee, punches to the throat and or nose, as well as improvised weaponry to focus inertia. I have watched a few different things on it, namely the Human Weapon episode where it was featured. Shit is intense.

Could be. At the least, I think you should do SOME training in reality-based self-defense if you're wanting to be effective in a street fight. At the same time, though, I still think nothing beats a good right-cross even in the grittiest situations.

[SPX]

That just makes me want to stay at home or buy a gun.

Interesting you mention that. Just this week I have been thinking of buying a gun and getting a CCL.

But yeah, people are fucking crazy. There are really two kinds of "street fights." The drunken kind where two guys get pissed at each other and they fight. There are some unspoken rules and, even though both guys are pissed and might even hate each other at that moment, they're not trying to maim the other person for life. Then you have the REAL shit where it really is anything goes and if you give the other person an opportunity they WILL hurt you very badly.

[Ludo]

Interesting you mention that. Just this week I have been thinking of buying a gun and getting a CCL.

But yeah, people are fucking crazy. There are really two kinds of "street fights." The drunken kind where two guys get pissed at each other and they fight. There are some unspoken rules and, even though both guys are pissed and might even hate each other at that moment, they're not trying to maim the other person for life. Then you have the REAL shit where it really is anything goes and if you give the other person an opportunity they WILL hurt you very badly.

I agree that education to some extent is a good way to go about it. But I also think being able to assess a situation and avoid those situations where someone might potentially have a knife or a gun with the intention of maiming/killing you. If it's as simple as being able to give a knowing look to convince someone not to come after you in the first place wouldn't you? Or if you were trained to use peripheral vision and identify body language and be more observant wouldn't you prefer it?

[SPX]

I would agree for sure that such skills could come in handy.

[Ludo]

When all else fails some muay thai expertise could definitely come in handy, better than boxing even due to the reach and added impact of kicks.

[SPX]

I thought about that, but I'd be pretty leery of kicking in a street fight. It seems that in a fight like that it's more important than usual to make sure you have a strong base and don't get taken off your feet. Where I think MT would be most valuable is in getting someone in the clinch and fucking them up with knees.

[MMA_scientist]

In bjj, you want to be on top. People think bjj is the guard... there are a lot of bjj guys that don't even use the guard. In bjj for self defense, the guard is what you do if you end up on bottom and you can't get up... it is the best of a bad situation.

I think you guys vastly overestimate the skill of untrained people as well. Watching people sprawl doesn't mean you can do it.

That said, I think judo is better for self defense, personally. It will give you more than enough to submit and control people, AND you can spike them on their heads on the concrete without going down yourself. Wrestling, though I do think wrestlers are better at takedowns in general, you learn to go down with them. If there is one thing that bjj does better than judo and wrestling, it is planning for the worst case scenario... someone bigger and more powerful on top of you. Bjj is about survival, just endure, eventually he will get tired or frustrated. It is really bout NOT getting beat up, not so much beating people up.

Boxing is great too IMO, but the problem is that almost anyone can take you down and then your boxing is useless.

That said, a lot of people disagree... I am no self defense expert. All I know is as a pretty good wrestler, I got my ass kicked by the bjj guys. That is why I respect it so much. I could hang with most of the judo guys, and actually I could usually take them down by shooting. On the mat, they weren't like the bjj guys. When I first started jj, I had wrestled, done judo, and done a couple years of no gi generic submission grappling in school... I thought I could hang with blackbelts (no joke). I was getting choked and armbarred left and right by blue belts half my size.

[Ludo]

[Luke]

probably not a good movie just posted for the MMA refernce

[SPX]

Looks not great, but I'll watch it.

I loved the first one. The second was terrible. This one will probably also be terrible, but I'll check it out anyway.

RANT: The first Scorpion King movie was a fuckload of fun to watch. The Rock was awesome. It was a great spinoff from The Mummy. It's a shame they essentially abandoned the franchise after the first film and let it rot in straight-to-video land.

[Mr. IWS]

Sorry I was gone for a bit. I been on a real shitty streak over the last 4 weeks, and this past weekend, the way some of those losses where for me, just really put me over the edge.

Friday – Dropped $175 on the Phillies. Losing 1-0 at home, are you fuckin serious?

Saturday – Dropped $540 including Boston College +21.5. How the fuck do you lose by 22? And Melvin Gullard, srs?

Sunday – Dropped $520. In a span of 10 minutes, I lost on the Jaguars, in the most crazy loss of my life. Miracle TD for Cincy with no time left. Then I lost Giants ML (something I never bet in football) when they are on the 10 yard line about to win the game, or at the very least, tie it up. And really, how the fuck does Seattle come across the country, playing early, and win outright as a 10 point dog on the road, taking the lead with their backup QB? Fuck!


Since Sept 17^th, Im 16-30 -$2995. I went from up $1465 to down $1530 in a matter of a month. I started doing dumb shit like adding Gullard last minute Saturday night, and doing the Giants ML play -500, out of desperation, and that’s not even including that dumb chase shit I was doing in August, where I had laid out almost 20g’s between me and my friend to win a measly 115 bucks at the end of the whole series of bets. so I just needed to step a way and clear my head and make sure I realize I’m not gonna get rich doing this shit, its just for fun, I need to remember that. For the first time in the 10 or so years of doing this for fun, I was starting to act immature and stupid, and I just wasn’t having any fun. (inb4 Luke posts pics of my TV)

Then this bullshit security problem Im having. Some dickhead keeps hacking my control panel with hostgator and deleting shit making the forum crash. If it happens again, Im gonna have to move back to slow as godaddy. It may be slower, but at least the shit didn’t crash for entire days where we lose days worth of posts.

So anyway, most probably didn’t even know I was gone or didn’t give a fuck, but anyway, the kid is back, refreshed. Come at me bro’s.