UFC 128 Newark, NJ March 19 Rua vs Jones

[poopoo333]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/22383/rampage-jackson-cites-poor-timing-weight-for-ufc-128-title-fight-decline.mma

"I'm 250 pounds, and I would have to lose 45 pounds in, what, three or four weeks?" he said.


lmao good job staying in shape

[SPX]

Well to be fair that's really not a LOT of weight considering he didn't expect to be fighting any time soon.

[Ludo]

Thats still quite a bit of weight. I know he didn't expect to be fighting this soon but what the fuck? That would be like Jon Fitch fighting at featherweight.

[poopoo333]

That is a lot of weight. Seriously. He was 250 when he started his training camp for Rashad, and that was right after his filming of the A Team. His whole training camp was basically a fat camp.

[SPX]

Thats still quite a bit of weight. I know he didn't expect to be fighting this soon but what the fuck? That would be like Jon Fitch fighting at featherweight.

You have to remember that it's all relative. The lower in weight you go, the more significant a pound is.

I mean, think about it. The gap between BW and FW is only 10 pounds but HW is everything from 206 to 265.

Vitor's a middleweight and he said he cut . . . what? . . . 30 pounds?

[Ludo]

You have to remember that it's all relative. The lower in weight you go, the more significant a pound is.

I mean, think about it. The gap between BW and FW is only 10 pounds but HW is everything from 206 to 265.

Vitor's a middleweight and he said he cut . . . what? . . . 30 pounds?

215 to 185 isn't near as significant as 250 to 205. Thats 18% of his total weight that he would cut in a matter of a couple months or so. 215 to 185 is only just under 14%. It is all relative, and I wasn't talking so much as an advantage. I meant "what the fuck?" the same way I react when I see Anthony Johnson dwarfing Andrei Arlovski in mass and then fighting at 170lbs. It's honestly a wonder why someone cuts THAT much weight or loses such self control as to gain it between fights.

[edman5555]

Rampage probably has a lot of belly fat to lose. That can go pretty quick if your working out hard and eating right. He's probably going to need like 2-3 months notice for a fight.

[Luke]

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[zY|]

215 to 185 isn't near as significant as 250 to 205. Thats 18% of his total weight that he would cut in a matter of a couple months or so. 215 to 185 is only just under 14%. It is all relative, and I wasn't talking so much as an advantage. I meant "what the fuck?" the same way I react when I see Anthony Johnson dwarfing Andrei Arlovski in mass and then fighting at 170lbs. It's honestly a wonder why someone cuts THAT much weight or loses such self control as to gain it between fights.

There's a tradeoff when you get that big though. Skill, speed, and agility drops off a lot more from 205 to 250 than 185 to 215. Not that it matters. Not a chance in hell was Vitor at 215 on fight night.

[Luke]

Me = not understanding how Jones is -215 over possibly the best 205 pound fighter in the world

[edman5555]

Yeah I was kinda hoping for a better line on him than that. He did open at -155 though, the rest is just hype and you know how that goes. I'm not sure where it goes from here..I personally think it should be about even.

[Luke]

Yeah I was kinda hoping for a better line on him than that. He did open at -155 though, the rest is just hype and you know how that goes. I'm not sure where it goes from here..I personally think it should be about even.

I knew the hype train would kick in but I expected Rua to open around -125 and then everyone jump on Jones will a final line of Jones -130, -215 is just beyond me

[edman5555]

Its tough. I feel like Jones should be able to win this but Shogun is Shogun. He KO'd Machida. Before that hardly anyone even HIT the guy. I'd like to know exactly what Shoguns BJJ credentials are. I know he won some big titles, but I think they were at lower belts. Still impressive though. I am pretty sure Jon will get him down pretty easily, he is just so god damn good with his takedowns and Shoguns wrestling sucks. Once he gets on top he is brutal too. Shogun does have laser like aim though.

[edman5555]

Its tough. I feel like Jones should be able to win this but Shogun is Shogun. He KO'd Machida. Before that hardly anyone even HIT the guy. I'd like to know exactly what Shoguns BJJ credentials are. I know he won some big titles, but I think they were at lower belts. Still impressive though. I am pretty sure Jon will get him down pretty easily, he is just so god damn good with his takedowns and Shoguns wrestling sucks. Once he gets on top he is brutal too. Shogun does have laser like aim though.

[poopoo333]

I think Jones is going to win. He is bigger, stronger, and a good wrestler. I basically view this fight the same I did as the Rashad/Shogun fight, except Rashad probably has the better sub defense/striking defense. If this makes it to the later rounds and Shogun is still fresh, I think he will probably get the finish. Jones slows down in his fights that aren't his quick destructions: against Gusmao and Bonnar (IIRC Gusmao chopped the shit out of Jones' leg), and I think he started to slow down a little bit in the 2nd round against Bader.