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  • SPX
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
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    Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
    ^^ sorry. Unfortunately, I think if you have your heart set on TKD you are going to have to sort through some shit to find someone that can train you legitimately. There are a lot of mcdojos out there.
    Yeah, it's true. Part of the problem is that TKD is largely treated as a hobby, instead of as a serious combat sport. Just consider that with kickboxing or MMA, it's all about a few choice competitors fighting in front of a massive crowd of people. With TKD, on the other hand, it's more like, "We're having a tournament, why don't you come and compete yourself?" There's a lot of focus on TKD being a martial art that everyone can do . . . a martial art where you go to class twice a week and maybe go to a tournament a couple of times a year.

    What I personally wish was that we saw "TKD gyms" pop up, or schools where TKD was specifically trained in a manner for its practitioners to transition successfully to either kickboxing or MMA. Basically you'd use the TKD technique system, but employ modern, serious combat sport training methods.

    Originally posted by MMA_scientist
    Why don't you just hook up with a MT gym?
    Why, indeed. It's a good question and there a few answers.

    For one, I think I probably prefer a more traditional setting. You know, the stereotypical "martial arts class." Sometimes I kind of get into that.

    For another, I like TKD's kicks. It's a big kicking sport, as you know, and I like throwing all the spinning, jumping, flying stuff. That's just not really part of MT.

    Lastly, I think I just want to rep for TMA. MT is sort of the default striking style for MMA, and if I were to ever transition into the sport, I'd rather be like Machida, but for TKD. I know I've posted this before, but I think this guy has the right idea:



    Dude rocks his gi in the ring and everything.
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    • sideloaded
      Senior Member
      • May 2010
      • 572

      Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

      Man its cool your repping TKD. Too many shit on it for no reason. MT is great but it's not the only thing that can work.

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      • MMA_scientist
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        • Nov 2009
        • 9857

        Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

        ^ i don't hate Eddie. I exaggerate my dislike for him for comedic purposes.

        But to say his ideas are the future, that is just ridiculous. Posture control is one of the main tenants of Helio's bjj. The original bjj was about self defense and included strikes and Helio Gracie fought without the Gi in 1950's. Rickson fought Zulu in 1981 without a gi. Eddie's "ideas" were not invented by him (Royce actually pulls rubber guard in one of the early UFCs). Personally, I think rubber guard is one of the easiest guards to pass... when someone goes rubber guard on me, I just immediately go to Tozi pass.

        Anyway, I can't argue with you about it... because there is no argument. Eddie has no more revolutionized bjj than I have. There have been guys using "rubber guard" long before Eddie slapped a name on it and tried to sell it. Aside from that, it doesn't really work very well and it is way too attribute dependent. 10thplanet is not even on the radar for legit bjj academies and as for MMA, they have never produced a relevant competitor.
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        • MMA_scientist
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          • Nov 2009
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          Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

          SPX, i can appreciate all that. But as you know, TKD is a sport primarily. It might be more productive to just train how they want you to train, then take your skills to a combat MMA striking gym/class and try to integrate them later. It is going to be hard to find exactly what you are looking for, since you are probably one of a handful of people who want that specific thing.
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          • MMA_scientist
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            • Nov 2009
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            Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

            gi > no gi
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            • sideloaded
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              • May 2010
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              Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

              So your saying Eddie stole rubber guard from bjj, but it doesn't work anyway?

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              • SPX
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 23875

                Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                Originally posted by sideloaded
                Man its cool your repping TKD. Too many shit on it for no reason. MT is great but it's not the only thing that can work.
                Yeah, this is how I feel. Machida had to modify his Karate for use in MMA, but when you watch him he's still very clearly doing Shotokan. You could do the same thing for other TMA styles, but it would take talented fighters who were actually interested enough to put the time into figuring it out.

                Cung Le comes from san shou, which is a modernized form of kung fu. And when you watch him fight, it's obvious he's doing something different than the MT guys.
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                • SPX
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                  • Aug 2009
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                  Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                  Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                  SPX, i can appreciate all that. But as you know, TKD is a sport primarily. It might be more productive to just train how they want you to train, then take your skills to a combat MMA striking gym/class and try to integrate them later. It is going to be hard to find exactly what you are looking for, since you are probably one of a handful of people who want that specific thing.
                  Well MT is a sport primarily as well. It's all sports, until you get down to really gritty self-defense stuff.

                  But yeah. The other problem is that it takes like 3 1/2 years to get to black belt. I don't really have that kind of time. I need to get hooked up with some kind of accelerated program or something.
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                  • sideloaded
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                    • May 2010
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                    Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)



                    A good point from this video is why do haters get so worked up? If it didn't work and was irreverent why do haters waste so much time and energy ragging on it?

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                    • MMA_scientist
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                      • Nov 2009
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                      Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                      Originally posted by sideloaded
                      So your saying Eddie stole rubber guard from bjj, but it doesn't work anyway?
                      Eddie is a blackbelt in the gi under Jean Jacques Machado. What Eddie does is bjj. Everyone has their own style of bjj... him trying to say 10thpl is something different than what every other bjj gym does is just marketing. BJJ encompasses 10thpl jj. Eddie has basically simplified his system into a half guard game, and a rubber guard game... it is really really basic. It is too small of a universe to be effective. It is but one small part of bjj.

                      The half guard game is actually very standard stuff. What he calls the old school and electric chair are actually the first two sweeps I learned from half guard. He added the lockdown, which he admits Machado taught him. So basically, he is selling JJM's half guard game with a bunch of retarded names. But it is by far teh most effective part of his system.

                      The rubber guard game is a high guard variation that requires a lot of flexibility that 90% of the universe of bjj practitioners don't have. So that alone makes it sort of pointless. Here is a move you can as long as you are basically a yogi. Nino Schembri rules "rubber guard"- he actually used it effectively, in a flow, rather than the stalling position you see in mma.

                      I don't think it is very effective. Of all of the times I have seen guys try to use rubber guard, I can onlt think of a handful of times where it turned into something. Whereas, you watch someone who is actually good at bjj like Maia or Jacare or even Werdum, and you see guys getting subbed left and right with basic transitions, well executed. They don't need to grab thier foot to control posture, because the guard is all about controlling posture and avoiding damage anyway.

                      So, yeah, I think he stole it, and it doesn't work anyway.
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                      • MMA_scientist
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                        • Nov 2009
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                        Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                        Originally posted by sideloaded
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvAmJbP8RQc

                        A good point from this video is why do haters get so worked up? If it didn't work and was irreverent why do haters waste so much time and energy ragging on it?
                        Because you have a lot of people that know nothing about grappling, yet insist it is somehow the next big thing... despite the results. it is just so pervasive it is like a parasite that won't die.

                        Because if you go over to a grappling forum, you will see about 1/3 of the threads are retarded EB questions. It is so just prevalent in the community even though it is stupid.

                        Refer to my guitar analogy.
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                        • MMA_scientist
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                          • Nov 2009
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                          Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                          Originally posted by SPX
                          But yeah. The other problem is that it takes like 3 1/2 years to get to black belt. I don't really have that kind of time. I need to get hooked up with some kind of accelerated program or something.
                          Why do you care what your rank is? 3.5 years... that is not a long time to commit to something.
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                          • SPX
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                            • Aug 2009
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                            Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                            Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                            So, yeah, I think he stole it, and it doesn't work anyway.
                            What do you mean "doesn't work?" Because I see MMA guys get locked up in it all the time with nowhere to go.

                            Also, didn't you say that Nino guy used it effectively?
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                            • sideloaded
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                              • May 2010
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                              Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                              Personally I think catch wrestling is the best grappling style. I wish someone would market it as good as Eddie markets 10th planet jj. Marketing is always a large reason for any style to catch on. Looking at 10th Planet in depth I could definitely see it working. Bjj guys always cite it's lack of success in compition. I think thats just a matter of time. All it takes is one young athletic freakishly limber kid to grow up training 10th planet for ten thousand hours.

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                              • SPX
                                Senior Member
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 23875

                                Re: Off topic thread(basketball,movies,etc whatever)

                                Originally posted by MMA_scientist
                                Why do you care what your rank is? 3.5 years... that is not a long time to commit to something.
                                Two reasons. . .

                                1. You need to be a BB before you can really teach and award rank, and I've considered that it could be cool to run a TKD class according to my own principles and ideas. It would be the TKD class that no one else is offering . . . TKD for fighters. Schools even have thier own patch. I know what mine would be: The grim reaper in a TKD uniform with an evil grin and red eyes.

                                2. BB-level ITF competitions are a lot like full contact kickboxing under ISKA rules. I'd want to get to that as quickly as I could.
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