UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

[edman5555]

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According to Wikipedia Diaz has a 76" reach and Davis has a 70" reach. Maynard also has a 70" reach and MG has a 71" reach. This is according to Wiki, so it could very well be wrong.

Nate has 3 wins via KO. Two no names and Rory Markham who has 6 losses via tko/ko. Marcus has more KO wins but he is also prone to cuts which could be bad against a guy like Nate who is going to pepper him with punches all night.

Submission edge you have to give to Nate though Davis has won a lot of fights that way. He has actually won more fight by sub than he has by tko/ko.

This one is tough.

[Mr. IWS]

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I would lean towards Nate, but no play for me.

[edman5555]

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I would lean towards Nate, but no play for me.

yeah same here. I made a small parlay with nate/lent/florian but I'm not even sure about those plays. This card is hard.

[brooks85]

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hey I saw you talking about nates and marcus reach, I got .doc i keep of height and reach for a lot of mma fighters. Ive been a little lazy now but it is a good size list if anyone wants a copy or me to post it.

As far as the matchup go, im all over Nate.

In the past 9 diaz bro matchups, ive picked the winner 9 times(can back this up with evidence). Aside from their personalities sometimes, i feel like I cap their strengths/weaknesses very well. I see this fight staying on the feet and marcus will be eating jabs all night. One thing to worry about the diaz bros tho, is their head movement is garbage. That is basically why nate lost to maynard. I bet maynard, tho I personally thought he should have lost.

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

hey I saw you talking about nates and marcus reach, I got .doc i keep of height and reach for a lot of mma fighters. Ive been a little lazy now but it is a good size list if anyone wants a copy or me to post it.

As far as the matchup go, im all over Nate.

In the past 9 diaz bro matchups, ive picked the winner 9 times(can back this up with evidence). Aside from their personalities sometimes, i feel like I cap their strengths/weaknesses very well. I see this fight staying on the feet and marcus will be eating jabs all night. One thing to worry about the diaz bros tho, is their head movement is garbage. That is basically why nate lost to maynard. I bet maynard, tho I personally thought he should have lost.

You thought Diaz should have got the D? I thought that the first time I watched it but then I watched it again and I think Gray won it. He dropped Diaz twice.

[edman5555]

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As for reach I am concerned about the source. Mine is wiki. Who knows if that is right. Where is yours?

[brooks85]

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I havent watched the fight in forever, I did forget about maynard dropping him, that would definitely be a difference maker.


As far as source, I use the "tale of the tape" before the ufc fights. Ive found some sources are off but I think fightmagazine does a good job. I paid the ufclive price for the online videos and just started doing a ton of research and gathering the numbers myself.

[zY|]

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Honestly you can't trust the tale of the tape either. It's a good tool obviously, but I wouldn't rely on it's accuracy.

For instance, Thiago Alves' reach has gone anywhere from 68" all the way up to 77" and everywhere in between on the tale of the tape, which is just an outlandish difference. I'm not sure how they measure it or if the they just go by what the fighters tell them.

[SPX]

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Honestly you can't trust the tale of the tape either. It's a good tool obviously, but I wouldn't rely on it's accuracy.

For instance, Thiago Alves' reach has gone anywhere from 68" all the way up to 77" and everywhere in between on the tale of the tape, which is just an outlandish difference. I'm not sure how they measure it or if the they just go by what the fighters tell them.

You can't trust ANYTHING the UFC says in regard to measurements. That shit is totally fucked.

Hell, I'm not even sure they get the ages right.

[brooks85]

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what tale of the tape said thiago alves had a 77'' reach?

[zY|]

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UFC 66

[poopoo333]

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Done watching vids on Winner/Lentz. This is going to be a very close fight imo. Winner showed good TDD against Oliveria, and Oliveria was able to take Lentz down. Lentz doesn't seem to have a relentless and powerful TD attack, and his opponents are able to get back up to their feet often as well. Emerson had trouble in the 3rd round, but Emerson was a dumbass and pulled guard when he was doing fine on the feet. Winner seemed to slow down at the end of the Pearson fight (he also defended Pearson's takedowns as well) and he got really tired in the Oliveira fight...neither of these fights were that fast paced. Lentz' seems to push the pace standing up and in the clinch and I can see him wearing Winner down. I do think Lentz will have a hard time taking and keeping Winner down. Winner doesn't throw many kicks so I'm not worried about him getting a kick caught and taken to the mat. But speaking of kicks, Oliveira ate Winner's legs for breakfast in the 2nd and 3rd round, but I'm not sure Lentz can do the same thing.

Yeah, so those are my observations.

No bet.

I just wasted all this time watching some mediocre fights for nothing!

[edman5555]

Re: UFC 118 Penn-Edgar 2 Toney-Couture

Done watching vids on Winner/Lentz. This is going to be a very close fight imo. Winner showed good TDD against Oliveria, and Oliveria was able to take Lentz down. Lentz doesn't seem to have a relentless and powerful TD attack, and his opponents are able to get back up to their feet often as well. Emerson had trouble in the 3rd round, but Emerson was a dumbass and pulled guard when he was doing fine on the feet. Winner seemed to slow down at the end of the Pearson fight (he also defended Pearson's takedowns as well) and he got really tired in the Oliveira fight...neither of these fights were that fast paced. Lentz' seems to push the pace standing up and in the clinch and I can see him wearing Winner down. I do think Lentz will have a hard time taking and keeping Winner down. Winner doesn't throw many kicks so I'm not worried about him getting a kick caught and taken to the mat. But speaking of kicks, Oliveira ate Winner's legs for breakfast in the 2nd and 3rd round, but I'm not sure Lentz can do the same thing.

Yeah, so those are my observations.

No bet.

I just wasted all this time watching some mediocre fights for nothing!

It's not for nothing. Everyone learns from what you observed.

[brooks85]

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I have yet to have a serious issue with tale of the tape but ive had many searching for info on the web. That UFC 66 would be to old too use for me anyways but a 77'' must have been a typo.

[MMA_scientist]

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Done watching vids on Winner/Lentz. This is going to be a very close fight imo. Winner showed good TDD against Oliveria, and Oliveria was able to take Lentz down. Lentz doesn't seem to have a relentless and powerful TD attack, and his opponents are able to get back up to their feet often as well. Emerson had trouble in the 3rd round, but Emerson was a dumbass and pulled guard when he was doing fine on the feet. Winner seemed to slow down at the end of the Pearson fight (he also defended Pearson's takedowns as well) and he got really tired in the Oliveira fight...neither of these fights were that fast paced. Lentz' seems to push the pace standing up and in the clinch and I can see him wearing Winner down. I do think Lentz will have a hard time taking and keeping Winner down. Winner doesn't throw many kicks so I'm not worried about him getting a kick caught and taken to the mat. But speaking of kicks, Oliveira ate Winner's legs for breakfast in the 2nd and 3rd round, but I'm not sure Lentz can do the same thing.

Yeah, so those are my observations.

No bet.

I just wasted all this time watching some mediocre fights for nothing!

It's not for nothing. Everyone learns from what you observed.

Thanks poopoo. Pretty much my observations too, no bet for me either.