UFC 115 discussion/odds

[SPX]

Re: UFC 115 discussion/odds

I think that Dunham has 3 ways to win dec, sub or tko. Griffin has one way most likely, which is Dec. Dunham becomes 11-0. I guess we will agree to disagree.

Grif just KOd Hermes Franca, so I would not underestimate his ability to finish. He can do it if he gets the opportunity.

With that said, yes, Griffin is a decision machine but he's very good at winning decisions.

One thing Dunham will NOT do is win via sub. Griffin's never been submitted in his life, despite the fact that he's been in there with lots of good BJJ guys. He's too savvy to fall for that shit.

[MMA_scientist]

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Scientist thinks Dunham beats Tyson Griffin but wouldn't bet on him to beat Escudero. . .

WTF are you talking about? I told you Dunham was extremely live against Efrain. I didn't bet on him because I hadn't seen enough of him yet. But if you look at our coversation right here: http://investwithsports.com/phpBB2/v...=7052&start=45 You will see that I knew Efrain was in trouble and it almost looks like I sold YOU the Dunham play.

I am also not going to bet on him here. I think its a close fight that could go either way.

[ManBoobKilla]

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Well, I don't think Aurelio ever got him down. He won that fight with his takedown defense and standup. I don't think he could survive with Aurelio for 15 minutes grappling. Dunham is a brown belt under Megaton.

Griffin was part of the Cesar Gracie team before going to Couture. He was a purple belt (I think) when he left. He would most likely be a high brown or even black belt by now had he stayed. His overall grappling is vastly superior to Escudero's.

I give a slight striking edge to Dunham. he has better power and reach, but Griffin has good leg kicks and can get inside.

And I think the wrestling is pretty close, slight edge to Griffin. Dunham was a wrestler convert too.

I think Griffin can win it if he commits to a high paced up and down fight. If he tries to do his Sean Sherk impression and box with Dunham, he is going to be eating jabs all night because he is a midget.

Dunham is a black belt now. He got it before or after his last fight.

[MMA_scientist]

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Scientist thinks Dunham beats Tyson Griffin but wouldn't bet on him to beat Escudero. . .

Also, one fight changes a lot. Let us consider Sonnen pre and post Marquart.

[ManBoobKilla]

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I think that Dunham has 3 ways to win dec, sub or tko. Griffin has one way most likely, which is Dec. Dunham becomes 11-0. I guess we will agree to disagree.

Grif just KOd Hermes Franca, so I would not underestimate his ability to finish. He can do it if he gets the opportunity.

With that said, yes, Griffin is a decision machine but he's very good at winning decisions.

One thing Dunham will NOT do is win via sub. Griffin's never been submitted in his life, despite the fact that he's been in there with lots of good BJJ guys. He's too savvy to fall for that shit.

Yes he did finish franca but franca doesnt have good defense, he realize on his chin to get him through fights. I might be alone here but I just see dunham winning

[SPX]

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WTF are you talking about? I told you Dunham was extremely live against Efrain. I didn't bet on him because I hadn't seen enough of him yet. But if you look at our coversation right here: http://investwithsports.com/phpBB2/v...=7052&start=45 You will see that I knew Efrain was in trouble and it almost looks like I sold YOU the Dunham play.

I am also not going to bet on him here. I think its a close fight that could go either way.

I was just saying that Grif is quite far beyond Escudero at this point, that thinking Dunham will probably win--gun to your head--should've mean that he would handily defeat Efrain.

[SPX]

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Also, one fight changes a lot. Let us consider Sonnen (R-Or) pre and post Marquart.

Fair enough.

I was mostly just fucking with you anyway.

[SPX]

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Yes he did finish franca but franca doesnt have good defense, he realize on his chin to get him through fights. I might be alone here but I just see dunham winning

Sig bet?

[MMA_scientist]

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WTF are you talking about? I told you Dunham was extremely live against Efrain. I didn't bet on him because I hadn't seen enough of him yet. But if you look at our coversation right here: http://investwithsports.com/phpBB2/v...=7052&start=45 You will see that I knew Efrain was in trouble and it almost looks like I sold YOU the Dunham play.

I am also not going to bet on him here. I think its a close fight that could go either way.

I was just saying that Grif is quite far beyond Escudero at this point, that thinking Dunham will probably win--gun to your head--should've mean that he would handily defeat Efrain.

I agree, Tyson is a level above Efrain. I read your first post like, "this dumbass thinks Dunham will beat Griffin, but not Efrain..."

I am just saying, I kind of knew the Efrain fight was close (and it was competitive) and since then we have a lot more info on Dunham. We have seen his takedown defense against an elite wrestler, we have seen his submission game, and we have seen his gnp defense. We didn't know any of that before the Efrain fight.

[SPX]

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I am just saying, I kind of knew the Efrain fight was close (and it was competitive) and since then we have a lot more info on Dunham. We have seen his takedown defense against an elite wrestler, we have seen his submission game, and we have seen his gnp defense. We didn't know any of that before the Efrain fight.

I agree that one fight can add a lot to your perception of a fighter, especially a fight against someone who is known to be a good fighter in their own right.

I think Dunham shows a lot of promise, but this is a big step up for him. In fact, I don't think Griffin should even be fighting guys like Dunham. He should be fighting Florian, Maynard, or possibly rematching Guida in a fight that I actually felt like Guida won.

[MMA_scientist]

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^^

Its a crappy fight for Griffin, it always sucks for a guy that is near the top to have to fight an up and comer. But the desperately need some new challengers @ 155. They can't let Florian fight for the title for a 3rd time, which is what is going to end up happening.

I would love to see Griffin/Edgar II. That was one of my all time favorite fights.

[SPX]

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They can't let Florian fight for the title for a 3rd time, which is what is going to end up happening.

I wouldn't mind seeing Florian get one more shot. He's always been oh-so-close.

I think that if he fights Penn with a different gameplan then there could be a different result. And he Edgar actually wins the rematch, then Florian stands a good chance of winning that fight, too.

I would love to see Griffin/Edgar II. That was one of my all time favorite fights.

Who do you think won?

[ManBoobKilla]

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Yes he did finish franca but franca doesnt have good defense, he realize on his chin to get him through fights. I might be alone here but I just see dunham winning

Sig bet?

Hmmm........ Ya ill do a sig bet. Im new at the whole forum thing doesnt that mean whoever wins gets to create a signature for the other person?

[MMA_scientist]

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I wouldn't mind seeing Florian get one more shot. He's always been oh-so-close.

I think that if he fights Penn with a different gameplan then there could be a different result. And he Edgar actually wins the rematch, then Florian stands a good chance of winning that fight, too.

I wouldn't mind him getting a shot against Edgar, but I dont need to see the Penn fight again. I think Florian would beat Edgar.

Who do you think won?

I think Edgar won, but it was close.

[SPX]

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Hmmm........ Ya ill do a sig bet. Im new at the whole forum thing doesnt that mean whoever wins gets to create a signature for the other person?

Yeah.

I've actually never sig betted anyone before, but you're sold on Dunham, and I think Grif takes it, so why the hell not. I promise not to make you have a sig that says you like my balls in your face or anything. . .