UFC 112

[Ludo]

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hopefully Strikeforce is good to Me as it has been before.

[SPX]

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So here's a question: Penn's line against Florian and Sanchez was pretty good on both counts. I think I remember it opening at -170 and -190 for each, or something around there.

So then the books decide to significantly jack that up for this fight.

And the first time they do that, Penn loses. So what kind of line do we get next time around?

[Svino]

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First off, I am shocked that Edgar won. I personally scored the fight for Penn, but as zY said, enough competent people scored it for Edgar that I'll roll with it. Either way, it was close, and it's the first time in a while that Penn's face actually looked a little fucked up. Edgar really is the little engine that could. Still trying to figure out how it is that the world hasn't exploded.

IMO, Penn should get an immediate rematch. I think he didn't protest just because of how disappointed he was in his own performance. I don't quite know how to interpret the result - is Edgar really that much better a boxer than Florian? Or did B.J. just get lazy in his training again?

As for Maia/Silva, yeah, the fight was kind of boring, but Maia did engage. He was much more active than Leites was when he was in the same position. And he really tried to turn it on in the last round. Unfortunately it was just too little too late. But if anything it made me an even bigger Maia fan.

I think that's exactly what has Dana so pissed at Anderson. At least with the Leites fight, Anderson would move forward and Leites would flop on his back. Here, it was Silva that was running away. I don't especially blame him for it; he was trying to preserve his win. That fight just played out the way it was pretty much destined to.

[SPX]

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IMO, Penn should get an immediate rematch. I think he didn't protest just because of how disappointed he was in his own performance. I don't quite know how to interpret the result - is Edgar really that much better a boxer than Florian? Or did B.J. just get lazy in his training again?

It's hard to know for sure. Another thing to consider though is that Florian really didn't try to utilize his boxing. He tried to win that fight via control. (Though he did eat several punches in the few exchanges there were.)

It would be interesting to see how Florian/Penn would play out if Florian would come in with a different gameplan and stand in the middle of the cage and box like Edgar did.

I wonder how Florian feels about seeing Edgar win.

[MMA_scientist]

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I wonder how Florian feels about seeing Edgar win.

my guess is he is thinking: "I am going to be champ now."

[poopoo333]

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I wonder how Florian feels about seeing Edgar win.

my guess is he is thinking: "I am going to be champ now."

HAHA, I thought the same exact thing. I hope they set up Kenny Florian vs Frankie Edgar, I would much rather watch that then Maynard vs Edgar again.

[Luke]

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The thing about fightmetric is it's just some guy counting. Not all strikes are equal. Also that report only shows Penn landing a single lowpower strike(jab) and Edgar only 2. So what, these guys were out there winging nothing but power shots? Bullshit. It's a decent tool but Its just that. The site is also run by Penn nuthuggers. They have BJ winning every fight ever and undefeated.

I dont follow fightmetric at all.Last night was the first time I'd ever been on the site I just seen someone bitching about the decision and referncing fightmetric .I dont care what they say either I score fights with my own eyes

[Luke]

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Riding the dogs on this one:

Grove: 1u to win 1.1u (obviously should've waited on this one, but I though Grove would become the favorite)
Edgar: .25u to win 1.31u
Dos Anjos: 1u to win 1.85u
Maia: .25u to win .81u (definitely should've waited on this one; taking him at +325 seems like a joke now)

+1.91u for the night.

First off, I am shocked that Edgar won. I personally scored the fight for Penn, but as zY said, enough competent people scored it for Edgar that I'll roll with it. Either way, it was close, and it's the first time in a while that Penn's face actually looked a little fucked up. Edgar really is the little engine that could. Still trying to figure out how it is that the world hasn't exploded.

Dos Anjos came through for me also, thankfully. I am very disappointed in losing the Grove bet, though. He looked good in the first round and I was hoping for more of that.

As for Maia/Silva, yeah, the fight was kind of boring, but Maia did engage. He was much more active than Leites was when he was in the same position. And he really tried to turn it on in the last round. Unfortunately it was just too little too late. But if anything it made me an even bigger Maia fan.

good job SPX for some reason I always forget what you're on

[Luke]

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So here's a question: Penn's line against Florian and Sanchez was pretty good on both counts. I think I remember it opening at -170 and -190 for each, or something around there.

So then the books decide to significantly jack that up for this fight.

And the first time they do that, Penn loses. So what kind of line do we get next time around?

I'm guessing Penn would be like open -300 in a rematch and get bet to -400


I think BJ over looked Edgar but thats just my opinion

[zY|]

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Anderson Silva, counterstriker extraordinaire, running away from a BJJ fighter with one eye closed wildly throwing everything he's got at him.

Pathetic.

[SPX]

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good job SPX for some reason I always forget what you're on

Thanks, Luke.

I'm still a little irritated about Grove, but my little loss is nothing compared to the guys here who lost big on Penn so I'm just reminding myself that I'm fortunate to have come out ahead.

[SPX]

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I'm guessing Penn would be like open -300 in a rematch and get bet to -400


I think BJ over looked Edgar but thats just my opinion

I would not touch BJ at -300 in a rematch.

Do I think he wins it? I do. I MIGHT take him at -200 or better. Definitely nothing higher than that.

I rewatched the fight again today while sober and not at a bar surrounded by crazy people and I now see what it was scored for Edgar. It was an extremely close fight. I had rounds 1 and 2 going to Penn, 3 and 5 going to Edgar, and 4 kind of a toss up. But 4 could've been scored for Edgar. I could see it.

Amazing performance from Edgar regardless. He's basically a featherweight fighting lightweights and now he's the champ. Gotta give it up for him.

[SPX]

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Anderson Silva, counterstriker extraordinaire, running away from a BJJ fighter with one eye closed wildly throwing everything he's got at him.

Pathetic.

I really want to see someone really take the fight to Silva. That's why I desperately wanted/want to see him fight Vitor. That fight must happen!

[zY|]

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Anderson Silva, counterstriker extraordinaire, running away from a BJJ fighter with one eye closed wildly throwing everything he's got at him.

Pathetic.

I really want to see someone really take the fight to Silva. That's why I desperately wanted/want to see him fight Vitor. That fight must happen!

At that point in the 5th, Maia WAS taking it to Silva. Doing everything he could. Instead of KOing him instantly like he wanted us to believe he could do in the first 2 rounds, he runs away.

Crazy.

[Luke]

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