2013 Off Topic Thread

[SPX]

Maybe im just too cynical, but i would guess faber, palhares, and gsp are all on some roids. For damn sure palhares.

Well obviously I have no way of DISPROVING roid use for any of them, but I definitely don't think it's a given. Though if someone is, it's probably Palhares.

But I have met guys in the past who barely even lifted weights and looked awesome. They just had great genetics. I knew one guy in high school who I'm sure wasn't doing roids but he could've gotten on any stage and competed in a bodybuilding contest (at least a local ammy one). Some guys are just made like that.

When i see those classic body builders, or the modern ones, i just seesomething that doesnt seem very functional. I just think... that guy probably looks ridiculous playing basketball. I dont think mma fighters are nearly as big as body builders. I mean even gsp's legs dont look like those

Well the aforementioned Palhares is bigger than a LOT of bodybuilders. He's 5'8" and competes at 185. Probably walks around at . . . what? 210? Maybe more? Richard Baldwin, whose pic is in that list, was also 5'8" 185 on competition day.

Steeve Reeves was 215 lbs . . . at 6'1".

Or Brian Whitacre, who has actually won many contests, is something like 5'9" 165 lbs. So there are a lot of bodybuilders who don't really play the mass game. And like we've talked about before, there is a great deal of illusion in the photos of bodybuilders. They do all kinds of things to make them look bigger than they do in real life.

[SPX]

As an aside, I will say that it always freaks me out when I see a bodybuilder go from being big to leaning out in their later years.

Consider Bob Paris when he was competing. . .







And Bob Paris today. . .

[edman5555]

You think that is them comng off the roids and having their hormone levels go way down?

[SPX]

You think that is them comng off the roids and having their hormone levels go way down?

It's like I said the other day, you can't take roids, bulk up, go off of them and keep your gains. You may hold onto some fraction of them, but when you build a bunch of muscle that is dependent upon T levels that are often 10 or 20x greater than what the body produces naturally, and then you take that extra testosterone away, the body can't continue to support all that muscle that's been built EVEN IF normal testosterone production resumes afterward (which it doesn't always do).

With that said, I've read comments that Paris never liked carrying around that much muscle so I'm sure he could be could've kept MORE of his size after he stopped competing if he wanted to. But there's no way he wasn't going to lose some of it.

[MMA_scientist]

I have seen a lot of power lifters lean out... they just stop lifting and eating so much.

[MMA_scientist]

Well obviously I have no way of DISPROVING roid use for any of them, but I definitely don't think it's a given. Though if someone is, it's probably Palhares.

But I have met guys in the past who barely even lifted weights and looked awesome. They just had great genetics. I knew one guy in high school who I'm sure wasn't doing roids but he could've gotten on any stage and competed in a bodybuilding contest (at least a local ammy one). .

I just assume that pretty much all of them are on roids.

I have known a few guys that were gifted, but no one that just looked like a true competitive body builder. They look great next to a bunvh of lumpy guys like me, but i dont thinkni have ever seen someone who just woke up one day with lats like batwings.

[SPX]

Well my point is that if you couple those genetics with a serious attempt at eating and training, and give them a couple of years, you're going to get some pretty impressive results. And they'll be all natural. But of course everyone will accuse them of doing steroids.

[SPX]

I mean, does this guy look so crazy that it just couldn't possibly be achieved naturally? I think that a physique like this, with the proper genetics and training, should be achievable even without roids.

[MMA_scientist]

Oh i think the body builders are natural. I believe most of them.

[poopoo333]

Oh i think the body builders are natural. I believe most of them.

Probably not. As someone that knows a lot of guys in "that" community...trust me, a lot of people are on dat dere testosterone (and more).

[MMA_scientist]

Probably not. As someone that knows a lot of guys in "that" community...trust me, a lot of people are on dat dere testosterone (and more).

And yet, you claim to be clean. What is more likely, that you are the first puerto rican natural strong man, or that you are getting a boost?

Just saying, i believe most that claim to be clean.

[SPX]

Probably not. As someone that knows a lot of guys in "that" community...trust me, a lot of people are on dat dere testosterone (and more).

I've heard that there are a lot of guys who compete in natural competitions who aren't really natural.

But there are a lot who are and, like Brian Whitacre, have passed both standard drug tests and polygraph tests. I think there are a lot of guys who want to bodybuild but who also legitimately don't want to fuck with steroids. Definitely not any of the IFBB pros, though.

[SPX]

I mean, does this guy look so crazy that it just couldn't possibly be achieved naturally? I think that a physique like this, with the proper genetics and training, should be achievable even without roids.

Just did some research. Apparently this dude is 65 now but still buff as shit:

[edman5555]

Above guy is on roids

[MMA_scientist]

Above guy is on roids

Clearly. I don't even think that can be questioned.