UFC 159

[poopoo333]

Sonnen would destroy Wandy...silly fight but has a story behind it I guess.

[SPX]

Yes, it will probably be a takedown clinic. But Wand has shown that he can still hit someone just right and rattle their brain.

[MMA_scientist]

I think Wand would have a great chance. I would bet him.

[Thewisemann]

You think he can stop the td?

[MMA_scientist]

You think he can stop the td?

Probably not. But Chael isn't going to finish him... and name a time in Wanderlei's entire career where he lost to top control. I mean, Chael was close with Bisping, I don't think Bisping is better than Wand, even old Wand. He miht be more difficult to take down, but he definitely doesn't have the power or the defensive grappling that Wand has.

[Vandelay]

When has Wand ever faced an american wrestler? I dont know if he ever has.

[MMA_scientist]

When has Wand ever faced an american wrestler? I dont know if he ever has.

He has, but it has been a while. Van Arsdale, Hendo, Tito. Not sure how being American helps them though...

I am not saying I favor Wand, but I don't see it as a foregone conclusion that Chael will be able to do his thing either.

[Vandelay]

Hendo rarely uses his wrestling and doesnt really do so in the traditional sense of shooting for them. Van Arsdale fight was about 15 years ago and I have no idea how it played out. Tito is probably the most relevant comparison and he lost that fight, but that was also a long time ago.

And I mentioned american wrestling because it is generally considered to have the best wrestlers in terms of mma. Also a primary grappling form compared to other countries who emphasize jiu jitsu, judo, sambo, etc.

[Ludo]

Hendo rarely uses his wrestling and doesnt really do so in the traditional sense of shooting for them. Van Arsdale fight was about 15 years ago and I have no idea how it played out. Tito is probably the most relevant comparison and he lost that fight, but that was also a long time ago.

And I mentioned american wrestling because it is generally considered to have the best wrestlers in terms of mma. Also a primary grappling form compared to other countries who emphasize jiu jitsu, judo, sambo, etc.

Chuck Liddell.

[SPX]

So the instantly wealthy Pat Healy is no longer nearly as wealthy. Since when do fighters have to give up their bonus money just because they got popped for something? I don't remember that being the case in the past.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/pat-healy-positive-drug-test-cost-him-130-154118542.html

[MMA_scientist]

^ I don't understand these guys. It seems like you should be able to abstain for 6 goddamned weeks.

[SPX]

Yeah, no shit. I mean, is it even worth it? Why risk it? They should just learn to drink like I do.

[Ludo]

So the instantly wealthy Pat Healy is no longer nearly as wealthy. Since when do fighters have to give up their bonus money just because they got popped for something? I don't remember that being the case in the past.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-ca...154118542.html

Nick Diaz had to give his up when he popped with Condit I believe. It's usually common practice that when a guy pisses hot for anything the UFC takes back whatever bonuses they gave out.

[MMA_scientist]

Yeah, no shit. I mean, is it even worth it? Why risk it? They should just learn to drink like I do.

No kidding. I don't understand it at all. But them, I understand little.

[SPX]

I wonder if he was just like, "Well, I'm not gonna win, so fuck it." But I'm sure that wasn't the case.

Did he just not think he was going to get tested? Did he think he quit smoking early enough that it would be out of his system?

It just seems totally retarded to me that you would risk having to give back $100,000+ because you want to smoke some weed and watch some Aquateen or whatever.