View Full Version : UFC on FOX 8: INJURED
poopoo333
04-11-2013, 11:24 AM
Welterweight bout: Jake Ellenberger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Ellenberger) vs. Rory MacDonald (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_MacDonald_%28fighter%29)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fox_8#cite_note-3)
Lightweight bout: Melvin Guillard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvin_Guillard) vs. Mac Danzig (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Danzig)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_Fox_8#cite_note-4)
poopoo333
04-11-2013, 01:49 PM
Tarec Saffiedine vs. Robbie Lawler, Danny Castillo vs. Bobby Green added to UFC on Fox 8
Surely Guillard gets his mojo back here. . .
And if Danzig loses, is it Cut City?
poopoo333
04-12-2013, 02:34 PM
I think when Guillard loses, it is cut city.
Saffiedine should beat Lawler easy. Great TDD, solid in the clinch, and a better technical striker...he just has to avoid the big shot.
Ellenberger/Macdonald is interesting...has MacDonald fought a wrestler yet?
poopoo333
07-07-2013, 10:25 PM
MAIN CARD (FOX, 8 p.m. ET)
Demetrious Johnson (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/demetrious-johnson) vs. John Moraga (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/john-moraga) - for UFC flyweight title
Jake Ellenberger (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/jake-ellenberger) vs. Rory MacDonald (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/rory-macdonald)
Robbie Lawler (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/robbie-lawler) vs. Siyar Bahadurzada (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/siyar-bahadurzada)
Jessica Andrade (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/jessica-andrade) vs. Liz Carmouche (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/liz-carmouche)
PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 5 p.m. ET)
Michael Chiesa (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/michael-chiesa) vs. Jorge Masvidal (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/jorge-masvidal)
Danny Castillo (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/danny-castillo) vs. Bobby Green (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/bobby-green)
Mac Danzig (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/mac-danzig) vs. Melvin Guillard (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/melvin-guillard)
Matt Mitrione (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/matt-mitrione) vs. Brendan Schaub (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/brendan-schaub)
Yves Edwards (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/yves-edwards) vs. Spencer Fisher (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/spencer-fisher)
Germaine de Randamie (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/germaine-de-randamie) vs. Julie Kedzie (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/julie-kedzie)
PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 3:30 p.m. ET)
Ed Herman (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/ed-herman) vs. Trevor Smith (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/trevor-smith)
Aaron Riley (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/aaron-riley) vs. Justin Salas (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/justin-salas)
John Albert (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/john-albert) vs. Yaotzin Meza (http://www.mmajunkie.com/fighters/yaotzin-meza)
edman5555
07-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Im thinking maybe castillo over green, edwards over fisher and dj over moraga.
edman5555
07-07-2013, 10:28 PM
Massival will probably beat cheisa but im not sure if i am underrating cheisas wrestling. Most of those fights are too close to call.
poopoo333
07-07-2013, 10:58 PM
I'll be betting Moraga and Moraga + the points if it's reasonable. He has very solid wrestling and decent striking, I think both guys will be spending some time on their backs in this fight.
edman5555
07-07-2013, 11:38 PM
Really? I read his play by plays against cariaso and cariaso seemed to be doing pretty well against him. I know its a different matchup but cariaso hasnt really been that successful in the ufc.
poopoo333
07-09-2013, 01:46 AM
I kind of like Castillo over Green too, although I got burned betting against him with Volkmann. However..Volkmann gassed horribly in that fight which was a big part of his loss. I don't think Castillo will do that. I wouldn't lay big juice on Castillo but I like him to win for sure.
Edwards/Fisher will be a good fight and most likely pretty close. I'd bet either guy at decent + numbers and would bet the decision prop at -250 or better for sure.
I lean Schaub over Mitrione despite the glass jaw issue. I think if he clinches up with Meathead and gets a takedown or two he can tire him out and make it an ugly fight. I don't see Mitrione winning any other way than by (T)KO so there is a possible hedge there too.
I love Robbie Lawler @ -125 against Siyar. He has the wrestling advantage, cardio advantage, and the striking should be a wash. Both guys pack big power and Lawler has a chin on him..not sure how Siyar's chin is.
Based on Guillard's situation I like Danzig at such a close line.
I am guessing MacDonald will beat Ellenberger but I couldn't really take anything from the Penn fight. Penn was an undersized human punching bag that literally gassed out in less than 3 minutes of the fight. I am curious to see how MacDonald does against a compact wrestler with big power.
As for the rest...I gotta do my "research"
edman5555
07-09-2013, 02:18 AM
I like your picking lawler. They seem like two brawlers but lawler is a beast. He took everything Melvin manhoef had and ko'ed him. I gotta give him the edge in a brawl. Siyar was also seriously out grappler by Dong. I like Robbie in this one.
trotterz
07-09-2013, 06:53 AM
I like your picking lawler. They seem like two brawlers but lawler is a beast. He took everything Melvin manhoef had and ko'ed him. I gotta give him the edge in a brawl. Siyar was also seriously out grappler by Dong. I like Robbie in this one.
Lawler got outstrike by babalu
edman5555
07-09-2013, 08:19 AM
Yeah i know. I was thinking about that. Lorenz larkin outstruck him as well iirc. He doesnt do well against technical strikers. Im not sure how technical siyar is though. Its also a lower weight class. That could aid robbie unless of course he gasses.
trotterz
07-09-2013, 08:36 AM
Yeah i know. I was thinking about that. Lorenz larkin outstruck him as well iirc. He doesnt do well against technical strikers. Im not sure how technical siyar is though. Its also a lower weight class. That could aid robbie unless of course he gasses.
Yeah larkinz did oustrike him but larkinz is a really solid striker. Babalu is not
poopoo333
07-09-2013, 10:49 AM
That Babalu fight was fucking weird. Lawler didn't do shit IIRC
edman5555
07-09-2013, 02:45 PM
Yeah I remember the same thing. He was apathetic. I remember Pat Militech saying "Lawler is a beast when he is trying to be" or something to that effect. It's actually something that sticks out in my mind. I wonder if he is one of those guys that is semi motivated. He looked really impressive against Koscheck, that's for sure.
Vandelay
07-09-2013, 06:32 PM
Lawler is really overrated standing. Loses to many a good striker. He caught a glass chinned Manhoef who was destroying him with leg kicks only. Also he doesnt use his wrestling offensively ever.
Siyar is supposedly a good striker from Overeems camp iirc. Getting grapple fucked by Stun gun happens to lots of fighters.
edman5555
07-09-2013, 08:46 PM
I agree with the stun gun analysis. I don't think Robbie can match what stun gun did on the ground.
Thewisemann
07-09-2013, 09:10 PM
Ill be on Siyar if his gets a little better. Lawler is a bum.
Siyar out, Bobby Voelker taking his place
Yeah getting top control decision'd by Stun Gun is pretty much going to happen to anyone not in the top ten and even a few guys in the top ten. No shame in it really, especially for a guy not known as a grappler. Stun Gun is kind of like Yushin Okami in that he's an ultra technical top control grappler.
poopoo333
07-12-2013, 12:08 AM
Siyar is out too, LOL
poopoo333
07-12-2013, 12:10 AM
The first change the UFC announced that that the heavyweight matchup between Matt Mitrione and Brendan Schaub has officially been scratched from the event after an injury to Mitrione left Schaub without an opponent.
The first new matchup takes place in the welterweight division, as Siyar Bahadurzada pulled out of his fight with Robbie Lawler and now Lawler will take on Bobby Voelker.
The next switcheroo came in the lightweight division, as Bobby Green is injured and out of his matchup against Danny Castillo. Now it’s Castillo vs. Tim Means
And the last change also affected a middleweight matchup as Spencer Fisher is out of his fight against Yves Edwards and now Edwards will take on Daron Cruickshank.
::lmao::
^^^^^^^^^^^wtf, they should just cancel the whole damn event
Your mom is out.
I'll kill your face
I'll kill your face
Fuck you, faggot. I hate you.
Fuck you, faggot. I hate you.
I can't wait till you fall asleep tonight so that I can piss in your ear
poopoo333
07-12-2013, 12:29 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^wtf, they should just cancel the whole damn event
I heard Demetrious Johnson fell off the merry go round at a kids park today and broke his neck.
I can't wait till you fall asleep tonight so that I can piss in your ear
Keep your dick away from my face.
edman5555
07-12-2013, 12:45 AM
Jesus christ are all those injuries real?
Jesus christ are all those injuries real?
Bol, yes.
Keep your dick away from my face.
::salute::
I heard Demetrious Johnson fell off the merry go round at a kids park today and broke his neck.
You sure he didn't fall out of his stroller?
edmann
Mr. IWS
07-12-2013, 08:46 AM
Mitrone-Schaub is off
I was looking forward to that one.
poopoo333
07-15-2013, 10:28 AM
I think Voelker at +245 is ridiculous against Lawler. I might bet that pretty hard.
edman5555
07-18-2013, 08:53 AM
Voelker isnt bad but robbie looked really good against koscheck. I think it is hard to gauge what he will look like in top form.
I think masvidal should be a terrible matchup for cheisa. Does anyone disagree? Cheisa seems pretty one dimensional.
Dont know much about mac danzig. I really havent sen him fight much. I understand he has some sort of wrestling style. Ive also heard melvin guillard has been training really hard. I generally dont like to bet on or against melvin for obvious reasons.
Im not touching ellenberger or rory.
I like dj over moraga on paper. I havent really watched moraga fight at all though. I understand he has a good wrestling game.
poopoo333
07-18-2013, 09:11 AM
Lawler and Voekler should be close imo...I don't think the line should be that high on Lawler. The thing about the Lawler/Kos fight is this: Kos worked his wrestling game for almost the whole round, and then Lawler ended up on top in a scramble if I recall correctly...that's when he pounded Kos out. I actually bet on Lawler in that fight and figured the line would have value if Kos came in and did his stand and trade shit..he shot for a TD and it was clear he came to wrestle. At that point, I was kissing my money goodbye on that one. With Lawler and Voekler, it should be fairly close everywhere and I do not believe that Voekler is gong to get KO'd early or be completely outmatched anywhere. His short notice concerns me, but I think it'll be a good and competitive fight.
I bet on Chiesa. Chiesa always finds a way to win and his a decent grappler. Masvidal is a favorite for sure, but I don't think Chiesa should be +240.
Danzig vs Guillard=battle of the bums. I'll be on Danzig small if he hits + money.
Ellenberger has the value at close to 2 to 1. MacDonald has very overrated wrestling. I think Rory wins in the end due to Jake's cardio issues, but do not be surprised if Jake puts Rory on his back. There was also a conversation on twitter last night about this fight. Some key points:
Rory is averaging nearly 4 takedowns a fight and has an 89% TDD. That's GREAT.
Most of that 89% is 0/14 from Condit, Nate, Guymon, and gassed BJ.
(https://twitter.com/bradtaschuk/status/357680531514732545)
Taken down twice by Pyle. Wasn't able to take Pyle down.
he also hasn't faced any wrestlers (BJ doesn't count)
I think Jake's lack of pacing will be his undoing.
normally if he doesn't get early KO, he wrestles. Hieron, Sanchez (referring to Jake)
Moraga at +375 is good. It'll be close.
poopoo333
07-22-2013, 11:09 PM
http://www.bestfightodds.com/events/674.png (http://www.bestfightodds.com)
edman5555
07-23-2013, 10:10 AM
Castillo should trounce Tim Means. Unless Means catches him standing. Masvidal was taking him down IIRC. Castillo should be able to do it no problem. Maybe even a submission.
poopoo333
07-23-2013, 12:07 PM
I like Cruickshank at the current line. Also like Kedzie.
I think Edwards will beat Cruickshank.
edman5555
07-23-2013, 06:47 PM
Cuickshank won one round against Makdessi. Makdessi has to be a much better striker than Edwards. I could see Cuickshank taking it.
Castillo should trounce Tim Means. Unless Means catches him standing. Masvidal was taking him down IIRC. Castillo should be able to do it no problem. Maybe even a submission.
I have 5u on Means so seeing you posted this kinda freak me out. But unless Castillo rushes in for single leg or clinches Means up against the fence immediately, else if he stands with Means, I think he will be in big trouble. I might have put too much on Means though. Means is taking this fight on 2 weeks notice and he's a big LW so he may have trouble making weight and his cardio.
poopoo333
07-23-2013, 08:17 PM
Means said he took this fight because he was in shape and refused a fight on 2 weeks notice before at ufc 161.
Style wise, Castillo should win but he is a tad chinny and Means is very aggressive with good power. However, the alpha male team has shown huge striking improvements since Bang took over as the striking coach.
At the current line, Castillo is too steep. I may bet him by decision at + money when it comes out.l
edman5555
07-23-2013, 10:18 PM
I have 5u on Means so seeing you posted this kinda freak me out. But unless Castillo rushes in for single leg or clinches Means up against the fence immediately, else if he stands with Means, I think he will be in big trouble. I might have put too much on Means though. Means is taking this fight on 2 weeks notice and he's a big LW so he may have trouble making weight and his cardio.
I remember Masvidal taking him down a lot so I put some money on Castillo. Castillo isn't getting subbed off his back and his wrestling should be better than masvidals by a good margin. I am a little worried about Means power though. He is also a very tall guy. 155 pounds spread out over a six foot two frame makes for a pretty lanky guy.
Means said he took this fight because he was in shape and refused a fight on 2 weeks notice before at ufc 161.
Style wise, Castillo should win but he is a tad chinny and Means is very aggressive with good power. However, the alpha male team has shown huge striking improvements since Bang took over as the striking coach.
At the current line, Castillo is too steep. I may bet him by decision at + money when it comes out.l
I hope he really is in good shape. alot of the things fighters say prefight, i tend not to believe them too much. but i feel like Means was caught off guard by Masvidal with the tds. He probably trained for a striking match. With Castillo, he knows the tds are coming and anticipate them better (hopefully).
I also have 5u on Guillard. He's faster than Danzig. Guillard is a outside striker and unless Danzig can counter Guillard coming in, if not, i feel he will a hard time closing the distance on Guillard. Danzig has OK power, but I am not too worried about him KOing Guillard. His wrestling is alrite, probably not good enough to take Guillard down. He has good defense and a solid chin tho so it may go the distance. Im also on Ellenberger bc I dont like Rory Mac lol. Ellenberger's techniques kinda suck and his gas tank isnt good but hope he swamps on Rory at some point..
poopoo333
07-24-2013, 09:24 PM
Openly gay Jessica Andrade plans business as usual vs. Carmouche at UFC on FOX 8 (http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2013/07/openly-gay-jessica-andrade-plans-business-as-usual-vs-carmouche-at-ufc-on-fox-8)
poopoo333
07-24-2013, 09:25 PM
Jessica Andrade is going to literally pull Liz Carmouche's pants down in the middle of the octagon and eat her pussy.
Jessica Andrade is going to literally pull Liz Carmouche's pants down in the middle of the octagon and eat her pussy.
omg BOLLLL. that's PPV material
poopoo333
07-24-2013, 09:29 PM
omg BOLLLL. that's PPV material
UFC: Ultimate Fisting Championship
edman5555
07-26-2013, 07:05 PM
I like Cruickshank at the current line. Also like Kedzie.
Same here. I will probably pull the trigger on Cuickshank. I already put some money on Castillo. I think it was a mistake. Means hits hard. I will probably bet Masvidal, and DJ as well. My problem is I don't know how good Masvidals wrestling is.
edman5555
07-27-2013, 09:03 AM
Means misses weight by five pounds. Masvidal has trouble making weight. John albert misses weight. I have two units on castillo already, cruickshank ko of the night. Will be betting johnson. Still thinking about masvidal and cruickshank straight.
trotterz
07-28-2013, 10:22 AM
You guys talked me out of my Johnson bet. I had 500$ on johnson at -380 but since all of you were on moraga, I started to doubt my bet. Therefore when Moraga went up to +420, I decided to arb. Now I feel bad that I pussied out. Why the heck did all of you thought that Moraga.had a good chance?
I didn't. I was going to bet Johnson as well, but like you, talked myself out of it. Sucks.
Jessica Andrade is going to literally pull Liz Carmouche's pants down in the middle of the octagon and eat her pussy.
::thumbup::
Svino
07-28-2013, 03:02 PM
I did think Moraga was going to be better at resisting takedowns. Rewatch the fight before the first TD and think about how the fight might have gone if it hadn't turned out that DJ could get those pretty much at will.
His timing and technique were just too fantastic.
Just watched Guillard/Danzig. Guillard looked good. Glad to see him get a win and that finish was brutal. Danzig was fucked up.
Also, Danzig looked small. He should maybe consider giving things a shot at 145.
Moraga is the worst D1 wrestler I've ever seen in the UFC. The guy looked like he went to the Carlos Condit school of TDD.
MMA_scientist
07-29-2013, 10:00 AM
When these midgets fighting?
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