UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

[Mr. IWS]

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I wont be betting the event, but the I would lean towards Marquardt, and Nog.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I wont be betting the event, but the I would lean towards Marquardt, and Nog.

Without looking at tapes of previous fights before making a final decision my first opinion is NOG stands no chance of winning this fight.

While Couture is 46+ years old he fought a very good fight against Lesnar and would have beat him imo if he was 10 years younger and 20 pounds heavier. Randy is also smart enough not to get caught in a sub mission which is NOG's best chance to win.

Nog on the other and has looked like complete crap in his last two fights. He was totally dominated my Mir and was being completely dominated by Sylvia until he pulled off a submission. He also looked less than spectaular againt Herring from what I remember getting rocked bad once.

While both fighters are on the downside of their careers I just think NOG has been rocked way too many times over the years .I can see Randy taking Nog to the floor and ground and pounding him the whole fight

[SPX]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Without looking at tapes of previous fights before making a final decision my first opinion is NOG stands no chance of winning this fight.

While Couture is 46+ years old he fought a very good fight against Lesnar and would have beat him imo if he was 10 years younger and 20 pounds heavier. Randy is also smart enough not to get caught in a sub mission which is NOG's best chance to win.

Nog on the other and has looked like complete crap in his last two fights. He was totally dominated my Mir and was being completely dominated by Sylvia until he pulled off a submission. He also looked less than spectaular againt Herring from what I remember getting rocked bad once.

While both fighters are on the downside of their careers I just think NOG has been rocked way too many times over the years .I can see Randy taking Nog to the floor and ground and pounding him the whole fight

I agree with pretty much everything.

Nogueira is only 32 but looks and moves like he's 50. If he was smart then he'd have taken the Machida course and tried to take as little damage as possible, but instead he's always had a habit of blocking punches with his face. In the Herring fight he got rocked big time with a head kick and if Herring hadn't been so afraid of Nog's ground game and had pounced on him with all his might then that probably would've been the end of the fight. He let a golden opportunity go there, though. Then in the Sylvia fight, as you said, he was losing the fight until he pulled that sub out of nowhere.

As for the Mir fight, well, word on the street is that Nog was suffering from a staph infection and had no reason to even be in the cage. That's probably true, because the Nog who was in that cage didn't even look like the Nog who fought Herring and Sylvia. So I do expect a considerably better version of himself to go up against Couture. However, Couture looked pretty well on top of things in the Lesnar fight. He may not have looked like he did 10 years ago, but he looked like a coherent, skilled fighter. I'd give Couture the edge both in striking and wrestling. And like you said, he's smart enough to avoid Nog's subs.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Who do you guys think the betting favorite will be Nog or Randy? If its Randy I might bet it in the next day or two if you think it will be Nog I'm going to wait

[SPX]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Who do you guys think the betting favorite will be Nog or Randy? If its Randy I might bet it in the next day or two if you think it will be Nog I'm going to wait

I have little doubt it's going to be Randy, at least if you go off the chatter on Sherdog. That, plus the fact that casual bettors will be severely impacted by Nog's last performance. My guess is that the line's going to stay pretty much where it is for the most part, but you never know. There may be a group out there who are going to put a lot of stock in the staph infection and the fact that Nog is always able to pull subs out of nowhere and bring Couture's line down.

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Odds are posted up top.

Coture is the fav.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Odds are posted up top.

Coture is the fav.

Nah I meant which way do you think people will puch the line? I actually found that this line opened at -200/+180 and people have bet Nog down to +160

[Mr. IWS]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Ah, I see.

I think they will bet Nog down.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Why is this only a 3 round fight???Is it because there is no title on the line?

[SPX]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

Why is this only a 3 round fight???Is it because there is no title on the line?

Yeah, exactly. All non-title fights are 3 rounders.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I think Chris Tuchscherer is worth a look at +305.Gonzaga has done nothing his whole career besides one head kick to Cro Cop.He has lost 3 of 5 since then with the two wins being against no bodies.I think the price is high because Gonzaga is still living off he Cro Cop KO

[SPX]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I think Chris Tuchscherer is worth a look at +305.Gonzaga has done nothing his whole career besides one head kick to Cro Cop.He has lost 3 of 5 since then with the two wins being against no bodies.I think the price is high because Gonzaga is still living off he Cro Cop KO

Someone said something similar on another board I frequent. I really don't know anything about Tuchscherer, but I agree that Gonzaga has been questionable. Goodluck getting that +305 in the US, though. That's a Pinnacle line. You can get +295 through 5dimes. The best I can personally get is +285 from Bookmaker.

[Luke]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I think Chris Tuchscherer is worth a look at +305.Gonzaga has done nothing his whole career besides one head kick to Cro Cop.He has lost 3 of 5 since then with the two wins being against no bodies.I think the price is high because Gonzaga is still living off he Cro Cop KO

Someone said something similar on another board I frequent. I really don't know anything about Tuchscherer, but I agree that Gonzaga has been questionable. Goodluck getting that +305 in the US, though. That's a Pinnacle line. You can get +295 through 5dimes. The best I can personally get is +285 from Bookmaker.

I can probably get +330 at matchbook right now

[SPX]

Re: UFC 102: Couture vs Nogueira - Aug 29th Discussion

I can probably get +330 at matchbook right now

Matchbook? Not familiar. What books do you guys use/recommend?

I have accounts with Bodog, Bookmaker/BetCRIS, and Sportsbook.